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Causes of Students’ Emotional Fragility: Five Perspectives

Teachers, professors, employers, parents, and students weigh in.
Posted Nov 25, 2015

Two months ago, I reported on the declining emotional resilience of college students. I summarized the claims, made by college mental-health personnel throughout the country, that students are having emotional breakdowns at much higher rates than in the past. I also addressed professors’ claims that students feel more pressure to get high grades and are more prone to blame professors and/or react emotionally if they don’t receive those grades than students of the past. The post apparently struck a nerve: It quickly amassed more than 650,000 views, more than 200,000 Facebook likes, hundreds of comments, and many requests for interviews and media appearances. I found some of this attention embarrassing, as some of it seemed to arise more from a desire to blame young people as spoiled and entitled than from a sincere desire to understand their suffering and what we, as a society, might do about it.

I followed that article with another in which I summarized research that college students whose parents are highly intrusive, controlling, and over-protective are especially prone to emotional difficulties and maladaptive feelings of entitlement. These results are at least consistent with the view that increased “helicopter parenting" is one of the causes of the decline in young adults’ resilience. Far fewer people read the second article than the first, and some who did were skeptical of the research—perhaps, to some degree, appropriately so. They complained that the research, and my article, seemed to feed into a knee-jerk tendency to blame parents for young people’s problems. 

In my opinion, it is rarely if ever useful to blame any particular individuals or groups for widespread social problems. If large numbers of people act in certain problematic ways, there are social explanations for why they do so. The route to solving the problem is to identify those forces and try to alter them. I am not interested in blaming students, parents, teachers, or anyone else. I am interested in understanding what is happening, and why, and what we as individuals and as a society can do to improve the situation.

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To further my own thinking about the decline in resilience of young people, and to view it from several perspectives, I spent the better part of two days reading and thinking about the comments that people made on my first article. I read carefully the first 150 or more. Where possible, I categorized them as coming from (a) teachers in primary or secondary schools; (b) professors and other college personnel; (c) employers writing about experiences hiring recent graduates; (d) parents writing primarily about their own experiences with their children; and (e) college students describing their own experiences or those of their peers. Most of the commenters agreed with the basic claims of the article, but the different groups had different ways of viewing and explaining the problem.

Primary and secondary school teachers were remarkably consistent in their view of the problem. Most contended, often emphatically, that they had difficulty holding students accountable for their schoolwork, or lack of it, because of the interference of parents and administrators, with the result that students failed to learn to take responsibility for their own work or how to deal with disappointment when they performed poorly. Parents, they claimed, increasingly want to know all the details of assignments and grading, so they (the parents) can do all they can to make sure their child gets a high grade. Parents are taking the responsibility for keeping up with schoolwork that, in the past, was the students’ responsibility. They claimed that some parents—especially those of students in honors and AP classes—become irate if their children bring home anything less than an A. They then complain to the principal or superintendent if the teacher doesn’t find a way to raise the grade. The teachers wrote about the pressure to give As to everyone in the honors and AP classes so as to avoid conflicts with parents and help the students get into college. Schools and administrators look good if many students go on to college, especially elite ones, which helps explain the pressure to give an A even when a student (in the teacher’s view) doesn’t deserve it. So these teachers were not surprised that the students went to college ill-prepared to take responsibility for their own work and expecting professors to bend over backward to help them get high grades. At the other end of the spectrum, teachers also wrote about pressures from administrators to pass students who do no work at all, because the school gets a bad rating when students fail. Here are some representative quotations:

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  • The "make-up" work expectation is damaging. Students are taught, artificially, that time can be undone by not being allowed to experience the natural consequences of their actions...They learn the false lesson that life provides them with perpetual do-overs. The administration is just interested in doing whatever it takes to get the students through and achieve the targets they are accountable for.
  • In __ County, public schools give all students a 55% to start their second semester if they scored anything less. They feel this will reduce failure rates and dropout rates. Who does this really help? The schools. The schools obtain more points toward their school grade if they have a higher percent graduating and passing.
  • I'd love to be able to fail when deserved, but…We are measured on our pass/fail rate (too many fail and we are fired). We are measured on our student survey results (fail a student, they complain, we get fired). At my school, student surveys are a full 50% of our yearly performance evaluation.
  • I am a high-school guidance counselor and have noticed a drastic difference in students' ability to cope and handle adversity. I recently had a student email me at 9 p.m. because she couldn't handle the B she just saw posted by her teacher. I had a parent meet me twice, wanting her son to drop an elective since it wasn't meeting HER expectation of a 98% or higher in each of her son's classes…Kids come to my office continuously because they feel "anxious" or are having a "panic attack."
  • If we don't teach according to the latest fad adopted by the Administration, we get poor ratings. In some states, that affects pay. In all states, it affects promotions. New teachers fear losing their jobs if they don't give in to administrators’ demands, so we do as we are ordered and the students suffer for it.
  • I teach AP classes…I've noticed it's an immediacy issue for many of them; they can't handle not having an A RIGHT NOW! I've had the following conversation with a few variations several times already this year. STUDENT: (panicked voice) ‘So, according to the grade book I have an (insert unacceptable to them grade).’ ME: ‘Okay. Well you realize it's only your semester grade that counts, you have more than enough time to bring that up. The first quarter's not even over.’ STUDENT: ‘But...I never get (Bs or Cs). Is there going to be extra credit?’ Over and over again. For some of these conversations add, ‘But my parents don't LET me get (Bs or Cs).’
  • As a high-school teacher, I see this fear of failing all the time. Students are so preoccupied with all that they have to do to get into college…They are over-scheduled, exhausted, and constantly anxious due to increased pressure for extra clubs, volunteer hours, and…forget getting anything other than an "A." Kids don't have time to be kids anymore.
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College professors and other college personnel generally claimed that they had seen increases in students’ anxiety and in the degree to which students tend to blame professors for low grades, expect to be able to re-take tests and re-do papers, and expect explicit, point-by-point instructions about what they must do to get higher grades. Several of the commenters were adjunct professors—people who aren’t part of the regular faculty but are hired part-time for low pay to teach courses. They noted that adjuncts teach many of the basic courses (courses the regular faculty don’t want to teach) and are particularly vulnerable to student criticism because they are generally hired and re-hired on the basis of student evaluations of their courses. And students who get low grades tend to give low evaluations. Here are two sample quotations: 

  • From an adjunct professor: I'm expected to make my personal phone number available to them so that I can be reached 24/7 for help, and I am expected to call them from my personal phone to invite them to their first day of class for the course, and to find out why they are absent if they miss a day of class. I'm not surprised that they aren't ready for the kind of responsibility that comes with a real job.
  • From a counselor who worked in college counseling centers: I totally agree with assertions about needing to normalize failure and students having less "life skills"…way, way, way too many students had never had a job, needed to balance a checkbook, or any of that until college or even after college. Their parents did it all. I had so many med students where their medical school rotations were their first real jobs with a boss that wasn't a teacher. Of course they had trouble with real feedback. Guess what: You can't teach life skills in a class. Parents and life experience teach that much better...Lastly, I don't think this article acknowledges that the whole college system is in danger of collapsing on itself...Too many degrees lead to nothing but a pile of debt...This is all going to change out of necessity. It’s starting to crush people.

The employers in the sample nearly all claimed, usually emphatically, that they had witnessed reduced resilience and an increased sense of entitlement in young employees. They talked about new employees’ inability to accept or respond appropriately to constructive criticism, and their beliefs that they should almost immediately get promotions and higher pay, even if they were doing the bare minimum of what the job required. If they got poor evaluations, according to the employers, they complained that the employers had not made the expectations sufficiently clear. Here are two quotes from employers:

  • As an employer of young adults with jobs that pay between $30-$50K a year, I'm finding that many of the employees we hire between the ages of 20 and 30 are not happy with this salary range and expect that they should be making more than $50K after only 6 months to a year in a position. Their lack of resiliency demonstrated in college carries over to their professional life and makes it difficult to provide constructive criticism when mentoring or coaching them to help them actually EARN that higher salary they feel entitled to. Every criticism is taken as personal and as an attack on them, sometimes to the extent where they threaten, if not follow through, on filing an HR complaint because someone asked them to follow the process.
  • Enter now the "Real World." As an HR Director of 15-plus years, I have witnessed and experienced the decline of resilience in our young adults as well as their lack of work ethic. It appears the handholding by helicopter parents and our educational system has made it problematic for our youth to ‘attempt’ to hold on to jobs. Most believe all they have to do is "Get the job." Somewhere they missed the class on 'YOU have to work while at work' and 'YOU have to show up to work in order to get paid'…The young adults today have no initiative, and if they make an error they are devastated. They believe their way is the correct way when it is not.

The parents in the sample, not surprisingly, mostly expressed satisfaction that they themselves had resisted the social pressure to hover over their children. Unlike other parents they knew, they had refrained from intervening in their children’s school affairs and had allowed them to learn from the consequences of their own mistakes. Some had children who were now in college or beyond, and they were proud to see how well their children were coping with independence. Many of these parents wrote compellingly of the pressures—from relatives, neighbors, school personnel, and even sometimes from police and child protective services—to hover and intervene in their children’s lives more than they believed was healthy. Some, however, also wrote of the pressures that the school system and colleges put on students for high grades and perfect résumés, pressures that, in turn, lead parents to do everything they can to promote their children’s success. Here are some representative quotations from parents:

  • My millennial kids were raised by their stay-at-home dad who let them go out and play as young as 4 or 5...We had angry neighborhood moms who told us NOT to send them over without calling and arranging for play dates; angry moms who had to contend with their own kids complaining that they, too, were competent enough to cross the street without supervision; angry moms who called and asked how much time the kids were left on their own playing video games. Our kids are both in college, very comfortable, managing pretty much every element of their own lives.
  • I overschedule my child so she can be around her friends. There is no one to "just explore" with. They're all at music, dance and karate.
  • My daughter is a college sophomore…I joined the parents’ Facebook page for this school and am constantly amazed at the number of parents that I have no doubt would love to be living in the same dorm room as their child. The smallest problem has them contemplating driving or flying there to solve said problem or wanting to call the school to find out just why their child is being tormented. My daughter may text or FB message me and ask about a problem and I'll suggest a few solutions; but it is ultimately up to her to deal with that overflowing toilet, or a smoke alarm that won't shut off, living within the budget she has, etc.
  • This article didn't mention the economy, which was one huge blind spot. As a professor and parent of a teenager, I can tell you how this works. Beginning in about the 4th grade, middle and upper middle class parents start to worry—does their kid have all their ducks in a row to get to a good college, which is necessary to get into law school, medical school, a good grad program. Are they taking advantage of every opportunity, sports, music, volunteer gigs? They perceive that the competition is fierce, the margin for error limited, so they "take over." Sure, the consequences are disastrous, but so is going to college only to accumulate debt and not find a secure job. So, absolutely, parents meddle. These kids were 10–15 years old when the economy crashed. Losing your job, your home, your retirement—makes you do crazy things for your kids. And when parents see other parents doing this, they follow suit.
  • Good points were made about the problems with parenting but there are many problems with our colleges and universities that are creating helicopter parents...With the outrageous cost of tuition and the huge financial expectations of parents I think it is ignorant of colleges to expect parents to just sit back and let their child fail. I am all for kids working it out and sinking or swimming, but at $60,000 I can't afford for my child to flunk out, buckle down, and try again. It amazes me how college costs are increasing at rates far beyond inflation yet offer less and less services. Where is all this money going?
  • I have three children age 22, 19, and 10. Part of the problem is parents don't treat their children any different at 22 that they did at 9. My son’s college roommates’ parents called multiple times a day. These students were to tell their parents where they were going, with whom, and when they would be back. These are kids who live in a dorm! If we don't allow them freedom how can they grow?

The students’ responses were most interesting to me. They, not surprisingly, were the most likely to be angry about the original article and many of the comments on it, because they perceived the article and comments as blaming them for weakness. They generally agreed that young people are anxious and depressed and often terrified by the prospect of failure. But most made it clear that, in their view, if we are pointing fingers, we should be pointing them at the established adult generation—including not just parents but also high-school teachers, college professors and other personnel, and employers. They also blamed the recession and the high cost of college—and some blamed the greed of the older generation for those. The students felt they had been born into a socioeconomic world that is far more competitive and less forgiving than the world of their parents or grandparents, a world in which failure is “not an option." Here are some quotations from college students and one from a high school student:

  • I agree that a lack of mastery over a subject should be considered a learning experience and not a failure. However, in our current education system, Cs and Bs just aren't realistic for a student who wants to have any sort of future. I'm a senior in high school, and from a young age I've always been taught that I won't be able to go to college unless I have mostly As. I come from a lower-class family and though I work during the summers, there is absolutely no way that my family can afford college tuition without a scholarship. Financial aid scholarships are harder to get than would be expected, and often barely scratch the surface of tuition fees. Most of the academic scholarships I've seen require a 3.7 GPA or higher in order to qualify.
  • Maybe instead of placing the blame on students (who are in an EXTREMELY high-pressure environment), the blame should be falling on graduate programs that trash any application that's below a 4.0 GPA. You say you want people to learn? It's OK to get a B? BS. You want only the "very best." What you mean is the people that can grind out As. Yes, I got my As but was extremely unhappy while in school...Profs: Do you know what kind of stress comes when you're falling into debt for a degree that, without grad school, is essentially worthless? Everybody tells you that you NEED to get into grad school. You agonize over a paper worth 50% of your grade. Then the TA grades it. Yes, not even the prof handles our fate: -2% for bold font in header, -5% for improper font on cover; then there's some checkmarks, some vague comments, and then the last page...B-.
  • Anything less than an A was unacceptable, and it was ingrained in us early on by our parents that perfection was our only chance for success in this competitive world. This article mentions students having anxiety and considering even a B grade to be a failure—that's why. I've definitely experienced that pit of hopelessness in my stomach any time I received less than an A grade.
  • I hate reading articles about how our generation is too needy and has been coddled. You know what made us think we HAVE to get all As? Our parents, our scholarships, our teachers, the Internet. Mental illness isn't a crutch used by students; it's an actual cry for help and support.
  • As a new college student, I have to say it is not all the parents' fault. My parents were very good about letting me fail on my own, and yet I am having many problems in college because of the nature of the university...They tell you that good grades are not enough, that getting all As is simply the bare minimum. You need to be a member of at least two organizations, but being a member is not enough, you must be leadership. Getting a job is not enough to be competitive; you need to have a nationally competitive internship. At every corner you are told simply learning and doing your absolute best is not good enough. Instead of the focus being on learning the material and growing through the experiences you are told what you are doing is worthless unless you can beat other students.  Everything you do is measured against how other people are doing. You must constantly prove you are better than the other students. That on top of every single person outside of college (or even teachers and administrators) constantly talking about how lazy and entitled students in college are certainly adds pressure. Of course students are dealing with anxiety issues! If every time you get a bad grade, instead of having the freedom to decide to study harder next time, you are told it's because you are lazy and stupid, DUH people are going to be uptight about it.
  • Coming out of college within the last few years, I think this article agrees with a lot of my own experiences. High school was all about feeling trapped and under-challenged, unable to seek more learning and more autonomy because so much of my life was predetermined for me and so centered on grades...The idea that it was all about earning the grades and obeying the rules, irrespective of whether or not I actually learned anything, disgusted me and I spent more time tuned out and in my own imagination than I did in my underwhelming joke of a reality. Everyone was happy with my life—except me. I felt like excellence was the baseline for even having a chance at making it, and that even then, forces outside my control could slay me for the slightest deviation from the performance, the conduct and the obedience they expected. School culture and the expectation that we all progress at the same rate as a "rite of passage" are toxic...I've only started to feel more human now that I'm starting in a great job, getting my finances in order, controlling more of my fate and pursuing more passion projects on evenings and weekends...However, these lessons came from some pretty painful experiences and they make me think twice about whether or not I want kids, given today's culture of underestimating and over-restricting children and teens...Who am I to inflict the kind of depressing, stressful and meaningless schooling I received on another living being?
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Concluding Thoughts

The problems that young people face and the distress they feel are not new; nor is the tendency of the older generation to see the younger generation as less gritty than themselves. But there is ample, objective evidence that, in fact, adolescents and young adults are suffering from emotional problems at much higher rates than was true in past decades. (For some of that evidence, see here.) Many of the commenters, especially the teachers, view the problem as one of spoiling young people by not holding them accountable for their schoolwork. But I see it differently, more along the lines expressed by many of the student commenters. Everyone is way too concerned about grades and this concern is depriving young people of the freedom they need for true education.

There is good reason to believe that much of the increased suffering of young people comes from the increased weight and senselessness of schooling. Young people are spending more time than ever in school, going through ever more meaningless hoops. The concern for high test scores and grades is enormous; the concern for real, authentic learning is almost absent. Students are so busy preparing for tests and pursuing grades that they have little time to delve into anything that truly interests them, and little time for real learning. When one is constantly pursuing extrinsic ends and has little time to find and pursue intrinsic interests, life feels empty.

The school establishment, and the politicians behind it, act as if all young people must be on a college track for success in today’s economy, when, truth be told, young people actually learn little in college that helps them prepare for jobs or for adult life. There are, in fact, many ways to make a good living today without college, and many college graduates end up taking jobs that they could have gone into without college. Students increasingly view their whole educational career as a long, almost endless, series of hoops to jump through. Students and parents learn from the constant propaganda that college—and maybe even graduate school—is essential for a satisfying adult life, and that these will be shut off for them if they don’t achieve high grades all along the way. Our increasingly absurd educational system is driving many students crazy.

Basic Books, with permission
Source: Basic Books, with permission

Given all this concern about grades and doing what the system seems to demand, it is fascinating to me how well young people do who choose an entirely different route to education. I am referring here to those who opt out of conventional schooling and choose a route of self-directed education—a route in which there are no forced tests, grades, or imposed curricula, but where students pursue their own interests, in their own ways. Elsewhere, I have presented evidence that young people whose families deliberately choose “unschooling," or who attend democratic schools where students are responsible for their own education, are doing very well in our culture. (See, for examples, my book Free to Learn, and this blog post or this article (link is external).) They are doing well emotionally, socially, and financially. The idea that success in our culture requires young people to go through all of those hoops is a myth. The sooner we dispel that myth, the better.

And now, what do you think? How do you explain the declining resilience of college students and what social changes would you encourage to improve the mental well-being of young people? I invite you to share your thoughts and questions in the comments section below. This blog is, among other things, a forum for discussion. As always, I prefer if you post your comments and questions here rather than send them to me by private email. By putting them here, you share with other readers, not just with me. I read all comments and try to respond to all serious questions if I think I have something worth saying. Of course, if you have something to say that applies only to you and me, then send me an email.

For much more on how education can be joyous and meaningful rather than boring and anxiety provoking, see Free to Learn (link is external).

Accountability

Submitted by Matt Metzgar on November 25, 2015 - 10:48am

Peter,

I think your previous post hit a nerve with people, but your solution missed the mark. I think a major factor is the other side of the freedom coin: accountability.

Throughout the perspectives you mention, you see a lack of accountability as a common thread. Can't pass the test? We'll give you makeup work. Can't wash your clothes at college? Mom and Dad will do it for you.

While I do think kids have less freedom than before, freedom alone is not the solution. Otherwise, kids growing up in inner cities with little parental supervision would all be thriving.

I would say given how school and other situations allow kids to evade responsibility, it is primarily up to the PARENTS to hold them accountable. This is not helicopter parenting, but instead giving them appropriate freedom while also holding them accountable for their actions.

Misleading Assumptions

Submitted by Peter Bergson on November 27, 2015 - 2:41pm

Matt,
Re: your comment that " otherwise, kids growing up in inner cities with little parental supervision would all be thriving" is the kind of comment that I might have made before I became involved in starting a center for creativity and self-directed education in inner-city Philadelphia. It is not the lack of parental supervision that is the variable--there is a lot more of that, in a good way (as opposed to "helicopter parenting") than your statement implies. It is the lack of positive, nurturing alternatives--the same problem, minus the additional (and substantial) poverty factor, that occurs in the suburbs--that results in the negative outcomes that Peter G. has written about here. When I hear teachers say that "you must yell at the kids because that's what they're used to at home", I cringe at what I imagine their whole life to be like. All people, of all ages, regardless of their socio-economic status, share the same basic need for a balance of autonomy and connection with others, of freedom (to explore) and support (in the form of access to resources--information, tools, materials). Young people don't need "supervision", with rare exception, when they live in a nurturing environment. Unfortunately, the suburbs and the cities have more than their share of families where the true needs of youth are not being met, and we are seeing the consequences across a range of outcomes. The rates of abortion, drug abuse, suicide, eating disorders, alcoholism and other sad situations are only harder to see in wealthy areas because parents have the money to keep them out of the public eye most of the time.

Nurture

Submitted by Matt Metzgar on November 28, 2015 - 6:03pm

Peter,
I'm glad to see you are taking action and involved with this issue. I'm am still skeptical about what you are saying, but I would need more information about what you're calling "nurturing". At some point, kids need limits/accountability (in my opinion). If this is part of "nurturing", then I'm all for it.

a no-grades classroom

Submitted by Dr. Sarah J. Donovan on November 29, 2015 - 10:44am

I am a middle school teacher of 12 years and teach graduate and undergraduate courses in teacher education. Resilience is nurtured, and grades and accountability can silence or stop conversations and habits that can lead to resilience. I am piloting a no-grades classroom in my title one middle school; the students are doing really well. I am not opposed to accountability generally just the unrelenting need to quantify with a letter or points learning. It is easier for schools to talk about progress when they can assign it a number or some easy qualifier like a letter or "meets." Subverting this discourse is the challenge; students know that they are more than a number, but they find it hard (especially at twelve) to explain that over and over to people who as about their grades. http://www.ethicalela.com/category/grading/

no-grades classroom

Submitted by Janine on November 29, 2015 - 11:02pm

Hello Dr. Sarah, thank you for sharing about your "no-grades classroom." I, too, am a middle school teacher (dance, video, and drama). Last year, I decided to stop posting grades to our student information system, which parents and students check compulsively in our high-performing district. I give students a lot of verbal and immediate feedback on their work in my class. My biggest hope is to tap into students' intrinsic motivation versus them performing for extrinsic (grades) reasons only. I feel like it's working really well. I still have to issue a trimester grade, but this has not been an issue. Now, I do think I would struggle with this much more if I was teaching something like language arts, math, or science versus elective/arts courses. Also, the subject matters I teach are very conducive to daily formative assessment with immediate, verbal feedback as a way of getting students' to fine-tune their work, which manifests very visually. Do keep us posted on your experiment.

Kids, high school and college fragility

Submitted by William Fitzpatricke on April 10, 2016 - 5:57pm

My daughter was prepared educationally quite well for school. She wasn't prepared financially. Working part time, with grants, and going to college part time left her roughly 70000 bucks on debt. She still doesn't have a full time job and yea I expect kids are a little disappointed with pay and debts. Connections for jobs count at least as much as college. If I had had to pay as much for college as kids now I would demand access to teachers and expect a lot of personal attention with an explanation for every grade.

I'm a college professor, and

Submitted by Erin Breaux on May 6, 2017 - 8:26pm

I'm a college professor, and we are just as caught in the system as the students. So when you say that the students should be getting an explanation for every single grade because of the tuition they're paying, you're assuming that professors have a hand in the tuition. We have no control over that, most of students' tuition is not paying our salary, and we are getting paid very low. So this means that everyone, students included, should advocate for a change in the system. However, it does no good to blame professors or make their job even harder than it already is.

perhaps peer counseling?

Submitted by marieange on November 25, 2015 - 7:06pm

As the parent of an unschooling teenager and the spouse of a university professor, this topic has been rattling around in my brain for months. After many conversations with my husband and other people who care about young people in this much-discussed age group, I have the impression that some societal shift has occurred to which older generations are simply not attuned, and possibly unable to truly understand. I wonder if it would be possible for universities to tap into the resource of older students, those on the upper edge of this age group, and train/empower them to become peer counselors? For all of the vulnerable, overstressed young adults out there, there are still many who have figured out ways to thrive. Perhaps these are the people to lead the way to a solution to this serious problem.

Great idea!

Submitted by Peter Bergson on November 27, 2015 - 2:47pm

I think that your idea of calling on the wisdom of those who escaped the scourges of the school system is a good one, "marieange". They have enough gravitas to be taken seriously by older adults willing to listen and enough "street cred" to be taken seriously by young people needing a friend.

Peer Counseling examples

Submitted by Todd G on December 2, 2015 - 10:02am

I think this is a wonderful idea. Full disclosure: I oversee a peer educator program at Ohio State that provides individualized and group-based support for student wellness:

http://swc.osu.edu/wellness-initiatives/wellness-coaching/

Here are a few other examples of programs I am aware of that also embrace this approach:

http://www.brc.ucla.edu/Programs/Student-development-and-Coaching

http://amspeersupport.com/

http://www.albany.edu/counseling_center/aboutme.shtml

All students are being directed to the same bottleneck

Submitted by SR on November 25, 2015 - 10:25pm

I see two root causes to these problems. The first is the interest of colleges, particularly for-profit but also nonprofit, in attracting students. "College for all" can only lead to a lowering of standards, as it has done. All these students are being forced into the same bottleneck. How many lawyers does our society need?

The second and lesser cause is the unwillingness of educators and politicians to accept that not all students want or need to go to college. They push "college for all" instead of "Unbiased access to college for all based on merit."

The solution as I see it is for society (those in a position to make it happen) to accept that not all students should go to college, and to offer vocational training in the high schools, and low-cost additional vocational training in the community colleges. And to deliberately raise the prestige of such training and these jobs.

But there's no money in this. It's a pro-union policy. The for-profit schools (4-year and technical) will suffer. The employers of undocumented labor will suffer. The only people who will benefit will be the students themselves.

So please don't blame the 'older generation'. This is a policy coming straight from the for-profit colleges and the anti-union politicians, in my opinion.

SR,

Submitted by Jackie Conrad on November 28, 2015 - 9:00pm

SR,
I believe that you are right on the money.
I m a granddaughter of immigrants and the first in my family to receive a college education. I am an elementary teacher. I have 2 children. My home is located in an affluent area, although we are the oddballs here with 3 acres and a somewhat dilapidated house.

My kids absolutely hated the local school. Both are intelligent, but we, as a family, are not into competition. The county vocational school offers a career exploration program for a very limited number of freshmen. There are 2 spots per district. Well, I fought, begged, cajoled to get both of my children out of the local school and into the vocational school.

My son was not interested in college. He thrived in the diesel mechanics program and got mediocre grades (but enough to get the insurance discount) in academic subjects.

Two weeks after he received his HS diploma, he got a job earning more that I make. His employer is sending him to Minnesota for additional certification training. He is 19. When he is 21, he will earn $65 an hour.

My daughter is brilliant. Part of her hatred of her home school came from the pressure to always be outstanding. To never show any weakness. So I had to fight extra hard to get her to the vocational achool, since she was identified as gifted and the counselor at the home school tried to convince me that I was wasting her talent at the vocational school.

She is thriving and learning. She scored a 30 on her ACT, despite what some would think of as a subpar education. She has been accepted on early decision to Cornell, but she really is waiting to hear from Purdue.

So my conclusion is that we as a country need to provide vocational experiences to all MIDDLE SCHOOL students. Let them get their hands firty. Let them figure out how things work. Then, if they want to, they can pursue more education.

I teach in an urban, high poverty school district. As often as I can, I allow my students to do the kinds of things my kids did when they were younger: take things apart, build, explore electrical circuits (Snap circuits, nothing potentially dangerous!)

What my students are lacking and what I intuitively gave to my own children is the freedom to explore without ANY adult judgment.

And college may be the right choice for some, but if one is made miserable in college, then it is the wrong choice.

Funding needed for vocational track

Submitted by SR on November 28, 2015 - 9:32pm

It's true, kids need to be guided towards what they like. Not told what they like. Have the curtains drawn away so they can see the possibilities for what they like.

Imagine if your district had 200 spots, with part-time vocational education in high school. And the kids could graduate able to enter their profession at the lowest rung, or go to community/technical college and get higher certification.

The college-bound kids would have less pressure on them for the available slots, and the schools could have higher standards.

But as I said, the losers are the for-profit schools that are now getting vocational ed kids to take courses in 'business' and 'criminal justice' instead of going to work in sales or as a secretary or a truck driver, all of which they could start taking classes for in HS.

There should be a national lobbying group for Pro-Vocational Ed/Reform the Schools/Save Our Children. One point that should be reiterated should be that children should choose what they like. Put the children first. Keep it simple.

Opinion

Submitted by Jon on December 1, 2015 - 2:21am

I agree with you on your point about raising the job prestige. I think it's messed up that we live in a society where certain jobs are more viewed as more prestigious than others. I believe we have an enforced correlation between a person's worth, value, or esteem (either to themselves or to society) and their career field. We automatically give respect to doctors, lawyers, etc. based solely on their profession, while secretly considering ourselves "better" than someone who we view as having a job that is less "prestigious" than our own, such as a carpenter or mechanic. Of course not every person does this, but there are those who do, and it is a habit that is accepted by society. (I will admit, I have been guilty of this.)

(I am currently an engineering student, arguably one of the most "prestigious" professions out there, so I am not saying this a someone who just wants to “knock down the big guy" so that I can feel better about myself.)

I think that it's arrogant on the part of those with traditionally "prestigious" jobs to consider their profession better than others. What grounds does such a person even have to make this claim? Yes, their job took a lot more school and training. And yes, it takes a lot more knowledge and understanding of abstract and complicated ideas. It even gets paid better. But does any of that make it a "better" or more "valuable" career field? No! Why is knowledge the scale of human value anyway? Intellectuals aren’t inherently better or more valuable than creative types or laborers. I don't think that, say, a garbage collector or secretary should go home at night feeling any less satisfied with themselves and their life, based on some idea that their job is less valuable to society, than, say, a physicist. Will they or should they win a nobel prize? No. But it's sad that a person's family, friends, or society in general will look down on them for choosing to be a construction worker over being an engineer. Not everyone is born to do the same thing. If a person isn't meant to be a thinker or intellectual type, we shouldn't shame them for that, consciously or subconsciously.

Now, as SR has said, “The college-bound kids would have less pressure on them for the available slots, and the schools could have higher standards."
This is a win-win for all the students. When we stop convincing everyone that they need to have a college degree to have any basis of self respect, we won’t have all these kids going to college who weren’t meant to be there in the first place. The “thinker" type people have better access to college, and the people who don’t really want college won’t feel ashamed of their choice to avoid it.

More and more often, especially here in engineering, I see a push to get women into STEM majors. I think this partially happens because traditionally feminine roles are viewed as being “inferior" to the more traditionally masculine STEM roles. However, rather than just injecting women into STEM majors, I think it would be better to deal with the root issue and raise the prestige of traditionally feminine career paths so that women’s careers in general will be more respected, regardless of the area.

The perpetrator here, I believe, are the colleges who benefit from this push to make everyone feel the need to attend. Unfortunately, colleges have become more concerned with making money than with quality education. College has become little more than a sophisticated business model, and students are becoming increasingly burdened by this, particularly in a financial aspect. There have been a lot of pushes lately to make college tuition subsidized by the government and even to make it free (which I believe is just a vice of an entitlement mentality in modern youth.) I do not think free or subsidized college is the solution. I think the answer to these woes is to reestablish college as a place of higher learning and not as a business, and to stop making everyone fit into the same mold of “make me proud: get a law degree."

NOT college for all

Submitted by Sharon on April 11, 2016 - 4:38pm

As a secondary ed teacher (language arts), I very much agree with you that the root of the problem is the unrealistic expectation that all students should be propagandized into aiming for college. We are experiencing the dysfunction that results. Everything discussed in the article, I experience every day at my school. In fact, in 15 minutes, I'm headed for a school committee meeting on grading policies, in which we will be encouraged (euphemism for directed, of course) to allow re-takes, not take points from late work, not penalize rewrites of plagiarized essays, and not grade any practice or homework (to go along with our policies against reflecting "behaviors" in grades).

As the article described, it's at a crisis point--for students and for education itself. I submitted an opinion piece to my local newspaper, in which I argued for the changes mentioned here: Establishing several paths for students to choose, including non-college skills certificate courses during the last two years of high school. Students could earn different types of diplomas, only one of which might be the traditional college prep path.

It is time for a complete overhaul of our educational model. It no longer is working. And the pressure to compete for college money at increasing ridiculously expensive colleges seems to be driving the anxiety and parental hovering.

yes and no

Submitted by Jim on April 11, 2016 - 4:49pm

First, the author of the article is demonstrably ignorant if he thinks there are plenty of fine jobs out there for people without college degrees. The realities of the job market are that the more education you have, generally, the more likely you are to be employed and the more income you make over the course of your life.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

I agree that not everyone is cut out for college. But those who can't make it in college aren't going to do great in the job force either, especially given the low quality of K-12 education these days.

I'm not blaming educators for this. It's systemic.

Never good enough

Submitted by Erin on November 25, 2015 - 11:59pm

I agree with a lot of what you posted here, but I think there's something that needs even more emphasis, and that's the pressure that even when you get the straight A's, are captain of the varsity sport team, organize clubs at school, volunteer 100 hours a year, and work part time, you're still not good enough. Over time that takes a toll, whether it appears as depression, anxiety, drug abuse, dependence, or anything else.

A short story: A year ago, I graduated from a top college with just below a 3.0 GPA. (Only 7 people in the history of the school have had a 4.0.) This is on purpose, but students crash and burn when they get that first test back and it's a 55%, but hey, that's still better than half of the class. It's pretty much impossible for people to go to med or grad school. They don't have the 4.0 GPA, so their application is garbage. Even those with publications as undergrads have trouble. Jobs are the same thing. Companies filter applications by GPA because they want the best. It takes an army to change the idea that students at this school, although not perfect, are probably a better bet than the 4.0 graduate from Stanford.

So you're probably thinking, "Why did I bring this up? It stinks that you don't have a job, but how does your story have any impact on this post?"

First, you'd be wrong if that's what you thought. I work at an excellent tech company in Silicon Valley. Many people from my school are. But what's interesting and why I bring it up is that through the whole process, when everyone is failing, no one thinks they're good enough, no one realizes how far they've come because they're still a failure. My generation has grown up always needing to be better and as an effect, everyone is ripped apart. The dedicated push themselves, never stopping to say "hey, I'm actually doing pretty well." Never being able to meet expectations of the real of perceived other. The rest flounder and live in debt from a college education always thinking that they didn't make it and what ifs.

I don't want to assign fault to anyone. It's an entire screwed up system and it's going to be slow to fix. I write this story mainly for the students out there right now who are too afraid to fail. I want them to realize that they've already succeeded, at least in some way. Made that varsity team? Congrats! Started a new club? You're amazing! Volunteered at a food shelter? You made someone's day!

I look back now and see what I've done, crying because it still doesn't seem enough and knowing that it really is. They ask why every criticism at work is taken personally, and that's because it is. It's another nail in the coffin in saying why you are and will never be good enough. Too bad me miss the fact that we were only criticized because we took a risk and because someone believes we are worth it and good enough.

Wow-so well put. I hope there

Submitted by marieange on November 26, 2015 - 12:06pm

Wow-so well put. I hope there is some way you can get your message across to a wider audience. Your comment is an example of the kind of "peer support" that younger people in your age group would benefit from hearing.

At the risk of "blaming the older generations" I notice that in a previous post from Dr. Gray several hundred older people were willing to blast spew about what they perceive is wrong with young people today. Now, when he solicits thoughtful suggestions for improvement, there is a resounding silence.

Nevertheless, in my experience, the 18-25 age group are a remarkable bunch. They are assimilating and synthesizing information at an unprecedented rate. They are navigating a rapidly changing culture with great empathy and open-mindedness. Despite their growing pains, I anticipate much good from this generation.

Esteem

Submitted by Matt Metzgar on December 3, 2015 - 10:28am

Erin,
I am glad you posted this. There's something in common with yours and another comment that I noticed. It seems like current students take school failure much more personally than previous generations. Why I don't know.

When I was in high school & college, I remember many students not doing that great, but they didn't seem all too concerned about it. They had a separate self-concept than just "school success". Now it seems like for many people, their self-esteem is largely predicated on how well they do in school.

Again, I don't know the reasons for this. But I would like to point out that there are many good people who are not good students, and that school success is not the end-all and be-all.

How?

Submitted by M on January 28, 2016 - 9:06pm

What did they have as a "separate self-concept" from education? That takes up each student's life now, from my experience.

Thoughts and thank you

Submitted by Ben111 on November 26, 2015 - 12:43am

First, Dr. Gray thank you for your work including this blog and the book Freedom to Learn. We have young children and have been motivated and inspired to homeschool them (unschool, I suppose) and your writings have helped us make that decision. They are doing very well at home, free to pursue their interests and are learning at least as much as their peers in public school, without the heartache and emotional stress I can see so clearly in many kids who attend public school.

I can understand everyone's perspectives and agree with some part of each. However, the students are by far the most correct. It wasn't so long ago I was in college, and even thought I had no aspirations toward straight As, the pressure is immense and terrifying. A lot of professors were terrible teachers (if you even had a professor, lots of classes were taught by grad. students and TAs), and even with those that were better at teaching I knew that my grades were arbitrary at best. Grades didn't have much at all to do with what I actually learned. Yet if I didn't get good grades I would have a terrible GPA, not be able to graduate, and be stuck even longer in higher "education" hell. I sympathize with those who worry about school, it's not even that they feel they are entitled to good grades, but they realize how arbitrary the whole exercise is and just want to know what they have to do to appease the gatekeeper ("teacher") so they can get good enough grades and move on with their lives. School really, really sucks. College too.

Thoughts and Thank You

Submitted by Peter Bergson on November 27, 2015 - 3:04pm

Ben,
Early in my work life (back in the early '70s) I read a book that I think is relevant here. It was titled "You, Inc.", authored by Peter Weaver. The subtitle was, as I recall, "An Escape Route to Becoming Your Own Boss". Its intended audience was adults in corporate jobs whether happily so or not. The gist of his thesis was based on advice from his grandfather, who said to him: "If you work for someone else, two things are likely to happen--both bad. [I'm paraphrasing here.] The first is that you are good at what you do and someone else is making all of the profit off of your labors. The second is that you are not good at what you do and--or for any of a number of other reasons--you will eventually be fired or laid off. Far better to be the master of your own ship."
I think that schools are first and foremost designed to create good employees (often meaning "don't ask questions, just follow our orders"). Only when young adults take the position of the Vietnam war resisters--"Hell no, we won't go!"--and begin taking ownership over their own work life, creating ways to earn money doing whatever they really like to do, will both corporations and universities be forced to adapt due to a lack of talented prospects. For those who don't believe that they are capable of following this path, I would say that the first step for them is to engage in some de-schooling. The list of others who have gone before you is long and venerated.

Baked into the cake

Submitted by Robert B. Elliott on November 26, 2015 - 4:26pm

As one who always has something to say with regard to these topics, I believe I made a comment at the time the original article was posted. I’m sure what I had to say was in keeping with a theme for which I am famous (or infamous, as the case may be). I hate being repetitive. I do find it obligatory to comment further, nevertheless. I wish it were possible to react to each of the five categories of respondent, since I could go on for weeks, but I can’t find time or patience for such an ambitious endeavor.
I do need to address my comments directly to the third paragraph of the current post. It reads as follows:
“In my opinion it is rarely if ever useful to blame particular individuals or groups for widespread social problems. If large numbers of people act in certain problematic ways there are social explanations for why they do so, and the route to solving the problem is to identify those forces and try to alter them. I am not interested in blaming students, or parents, or teachers, or anyone else. I am interested in understanding what is happening, and why, and what we as individuals and as a society can do to improve the situation."
These are my sentiments, exactly. The usual course in dealing with problems of this sort in the field of education has been to make the “Error of the Third Kind", which is to identify and solve the wrong problem(s). That error has become so deeply ingrained that it is rarely ever identified as an error at all.
Many people will point to the complexity of the whole phenomenon and the lengthy and sordid history and decide that it is simplistic to focus on one fundamental issue or “root cause". There are an incredible number of facets and variables and all should be factored into the equation and sorted out to the best of our collective ability. However, I agree with Dr. Gray. Each time the analysis leads to blaming individuals or groups, we can be certain that we have been distracted or have committed that fatal error, once again.
Elsewhere, Dr Gray has agreed with me, I believe, in stating that the chronic problems are systemic and further that the element of coercion is corrosive (See his extraordinary article “School is Prison"). Where we seem to disagree is in the belief that many of the issues, such as those discussed in the article are relatively new or that the increase in a specific attitude or behavior is due to some new influence or policy that can be reversed in order to get back to some degree of normalcy.
The blamers and shamers would love to believe that it is just the recent emphasis on standardized testing, the intense focus on accountability, the outsiders and interlopers trying to privatize and monetize education, the progressives who reject good old fashioned nose-to-the-grindstone discipline, or some other trend or fad aimed at “reform" that has upset the otherwise tolerable applecart. It has been ever thus.
As an assistant to a professor in a psychology class in the late 1970’s during a particularly free or experimental period in the universities, I attempted to drop the stringent guidelines for study and to abandon the traditional grading system. The roof caved in. Students couldn’t begin to deal with any autonomy and demanded strictly directed assignments, grading parameters, and boring lectures. The experiment failed and that whole movement quickly faltered.
The statistical increase indicates a change for the worse in recent years to be sure. The separate causes have proliferated in this particular manifestation of dysfunction as a result of an unhealthy convergence. The more significant social basis for a wide range of problems has not changed, however.
In one of the comments, someone wrote that students have no initiative. I regret to inform that this is not terribly new. The myth has been that schools previously provided students with critical thinking skills and allowed initiative, but that has never been the case. Under compulsory attendance laws, initiative is summarily precluded. If students ever exhibited initiative it was the exception to the rule and typically thanks to one or more teachers who were exceptionally devoted and willing to risk severe consequences for breaking rules and establishing trust by deviating from the official trivial curriculum.
Entitlement is probably related to a broader trend having to do with this generation. The increases in emotional breakdowns are probably due in part to global changes and increased pressures post-NCLB. But, the virus has been with us for over a century-and-a-half. Student autonomy and confidence are a fantasy when an authoritarian bureaucracy is required. The disease is terminal. The virus has compromised the immune system and unless it is eradicated, the patient will die a painful death. Reform is not possible. Gradual repair on hundreds of fronts by the top geniuses in the land will not save this paradigm. There; I’ve said it again.
Schools are here to stay, like it or not. Therefore, changing the culture through de-schooling and Unschooling benefits a small number of kids. The rest get more of the same for the next hundred years. To abandon them in favor of vague hopes is unforgivable.

Baked into the cake

Submitted by Peter Bergson on November 27, 2015 - 3:22pm

Robert,
I was right there with you up until the very end. For example, John Holt wrote of an experience similar to yours with regard to offering college students the path of self-direction: while some of them grabbed the reins and took off, others panicked and demanded to be re-shackled.
I am more optimistic about future possibilities, however--perhaps because, on the cusp of turning 72, I hate the idea of leaving a world in decline. I agree that "saving" a few via unschooling, democratic schools and resource centers for homeschoolers/unschoolers is address the needs of a tiny minority, I think that a good (and well-funded) PR firm could expose the myths of forced schooling. They would serve the equivalent function of the boy who shouted publicly that the Emperor had no clothes. Someone has to bring back Jonathan Kozol's "Death At An Early Age", about the racism in Boston's public school system, and show how things are no better there or in any other inner city today than they were 50 years ago, and often worse--and then force an extended discussion as to why, and then what to do about it. Those with a financial vested interest in maintaining the status quo--politicians, textbook publishers (or the modern version--computer manufacturers and programmers), school administrators and most teachers and counselors, school architects and producers of school furnishings and supplies, etc. etc.--will never foment the transformation/revolution. Such basic change always comes from outsiders. We must coordinate our efforts and make our move before too many more lives are lost.

My optimism

Submitted by Robert B. Elliott on November 28, 2015 - 4:08am

Peter,
It appears that we are more or less on the same page, but you may have mistaken me for a pessimist. I am very hopeful, although I don’t see where the resources would come from to pay a professional PR agency and I don’t even hope for activists or volunteers to mount such a huge nationwide re-education effort. You speak about forcing “an extended discussion" about the inner city school neglect and the rampant discrimination, however again I am wholly pessimistic about getting that on after watching how Kozal has been sidelined and marginalized along with many others, which is only realistic in my view.
You are correct in saying that the real change and the revolution will come from outsiders, although I would include the recent crop of victims in that class. My great hope derives currently from the power and reach of social media just such as we are using it now. When young people are informed about how badly they are exploited and they recognize that the lies and myths about schools are essentially part of a brainwashing campaign (Unconsciously – I don’t imagine any sinister conspiracy or intentional deception on the part of most school boosters) they will ultimately form a block of citizens who won’t stand for mediocrity and abuse any longer, especially with their own children.
Alternative school supporters will tell us that Rome wasn’t built in a day or that a battleship can’t be turned around on a dime and I get that all too well. But, when Rome was being built, I doubt that a substantial percentage of its children were being seriously damaged and the purpose of a battleship has never been to undermine a nation through dumbing them down. If the citizens of Rome had tried to accomplish something with their hands tied behind their back or if a modern battleship commander found that the controls of his ship had been reprogrammed and taken over by some malware, there would never have been a Rome and the battleship would be dead in the water.
Students who feel the need for shackles have a distorted image of what education should be about. They lack confidence and fear their own potential for autonomy and discovery. We are simply witnessing a magnification of the destructive forces that have been eating away at personal integrity and integration all along. It is just wrong to stand by with stars in our eyes and hope that our example, our idealism, or our brilliance will somehow rub off on them or be adequate to overcome intensive indoctrination for twelve years. Pretending that the exact problem we have identified will dissolve or evaporate merely because WE can see it clearly is foolhardy. Attacking all the other problems in helter-skelter fashion or wishing that one true cause of pandemonium away won’t get us anywhere.

One of the crop

Submitted by Javis on November 28, 2015 - 7:02am

I can say that I feel rather strongly about the way we have our education system set up now. When I started college back in 2014, I was hurrying towards college faced with the idea that my fate was to continue grueling my way up this ladder of academic achievement, which I was having a tough enough time of it already just getting through high school. And then after that, maybe a master's, then maybe to graduate school, and/or maybe a job, theoretically speaking.

I couldn't handle it, though, and I said enough. I withdrew from college. Partly it was because (I now realize) I was suffering post-concussive syndrome - I hit my head, and didn't take the time to recover. (I may have been having it for years, since middle school- may partly explain my difficulty.) Instead of stopping to rest my brain and gradually return to school, I bore an overloaded schedule in my first semester which I barely managed to pass through only a part of.

The other part for me, though, was that I couldn't imagine myself going down this path, this unbearable rat race, to just work without any meaning or reward, year after year. I knew that there had to be something better than just being in something like high school part II.

Now it's been six months since I withdrew and took the time to heal, both from the mild traumatic brain injury and from the whole experience of schooling. I'm not anywhere as depressed and anxious as I was back in high school and college, and I feel like I can actually start to approach my life as I want to live it, out in the real world, instead of in a constraining, narrow-minded and competitive system.

I hate to think that other kids in the class I graduated in are going through the same thing. I know their experience of it will be different from mine (not everyone gets a head injury), but - going to college to get a degree, to get a job, to get a car and house, and kids, then grow old and die, having worked all your life - it's the stuff we half-joked about in high school, but it's the perceived reality for so many of us. We just go to college because... well... that's what you do, right?

I read in the other comments about peer counseling to help others out with deschooling, and it inspires me. As I gain the ability to lead my own life, and perhaps go to a community college or work, it sounds like something I will want to help my peers out with. And when/if I have kids, I know that I will want to give them a real choice to spend their time as they wish, whether it be at home, at a public school, or an alternative school, or what they agree with the best. It won't be perfect, but nothing is, and I think it would be a good deal better than what I and my peers had to go through.

good luck

Submitted by Ben111 on December 3, 2015 - 1:06am

I just want to say good luck to you. I finished college, have been working for a decade or so, got a masters degree, and it's been hard for me. I am just starting to figure out what I "really" want to do and I hope you figure that out too.

I suffered a concussion last year and I couldn't believe how much it affected me. A lot of people just don't understand which makes it worse. I understand what you've gone through. I'm finally recovering, and I'm glad you are recovering too. Good luck!

That makes me think...

Submitted by Javis on November 28, 2015 - 6:11am

@Robert

I heard a TED talk by Sugata Mitra where he put forth his own theory about our compulsory education system. From what I understood of it, the idea was that the compulsory education system was instituted to turn out clerks who would function as cogs in a bureaucratic machine. This machine was essentially a large computer that handled all the data needed in managing governmental and corporate empires, and its components were humans involved with paperwork (or as it may be, in a repetitive industrial process). It was key to starting and getting us through the Second Industrial Revolution. He went on that now that we have powerful mechanical computers, though, which can do more of this kind of work for us, so the skills that are needed today are more the kind that need creativity, human spirit, individual effort, and all that jazz. I'm not sure how evidence-based his theory is, but it doesn't sound implausible.

There's more to the talk- he did an experiment where he set up a computer terminal in urban India, and watched as groups of children who had never used a computer learned how to use various functions like Word and MS Paint, and even the Internet, all in English, all on their own with only a few questions asked to the adult who came by and checked on the computer every now and then.

Here's a link to some videos of him talking. I think it's the first one in this list I'm quoting specifically from, but I'm not sure.

http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education?language=en

https://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_shows_how_kids_teach_themselves?language=en

https://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_build_a_school_in_the_cloud?language=en

Anyway, that was what I thought of when you mentioned how schools have been around a long time and what could be done about it.

@Peter

I agree with you that the educational establishment as it is, is not likely to provide on its own the means of changing itself. You mentioned vested financial interest though- I wonder, what if the forces of big businesses such as, say, Google, who principally need people who can think creatively, problem-solve, work as a team, etc., were to throw some of their considerable weight towards changing that system more towards something like what's discussed here (i.e. democratic schooling, unschooling), since it would suit their bottom line in the long run? I don't know how that might work out in practice, but it would be interesting.

Antithetical concepts

Submitted by Robert B. Elliott on November 28, 2015 - 4:50pm

Dear Javis,
Please refrain from ever using the term "compulsory education". The two words are diametrically opposed and completely antithetical. Coercion precludes anything that can meaningfully be called education. This false conception is the basis for virtually all of the conflicts and chronic failures in our schools. I cannot agree with the idea that the problems derive from changes in technology or what is needed for people to thrive and function optimally, either. The essentials haven't changed nor will they change with regard to education and serving the needs of children and young adults, or for that matter anyone of any age when it comes to learning and knowledge acquisition. The student must have questions and take the initiative in finding answers or the entire process is derailed from day one. The conception of knowledge in schools and in the larger culture is woefully behind the science and it will be that way until power is shifted from autocrats and bureaucrats to parents and children which can only happen in the absence of coercion in the form of compulsory attendance.

schools are not all failures

Submitted by Brenda on November 29, 2015 - 2:10pm

Yes, I think schools were initially created to produce good, unthinking factory workers, but people like John Dewey have worked for a long time to innovate in schools and allow students more autonomy and flexibility to learn according to their own passions and priorities. I don't think Kozol's aim in writing his books was to dismantle the public education system, either, but to call attention to the forces that allow schools in this country to be so inequitable. Many public schools are working hard, despite the pressures of NCLB to test our children to death, to foster more critical thinking and autonomy in students and to provide an education relevant to the 21st century. As a teacher, I don't think teachers are standing in the way of education reform. We've called for years for exactly the measures that would improve schools, like smaller class sizes to allow for better personalization of education, and more art, technical education, and music. But what can we do when the system ignores our advocacy and instead continues to defund the most vulnerable schools? What can we do when the for-profit forces want to automate everything and reduce our schools back to cog-producers?

Also, please don't ask Google to get involved when we already have Bill Gates pushing the current testing craze.

I say yes to democratic schooling, yes to unschooling - although that only helps a few children. Yes to equitable resources for all public schools so that all children have unfettered opportunities to learn. But no to the emphasis on grades, GPAs, test scores, etc. that reduce learning to a number. It's so frustrating as a teacher to give feedback on how a student can improve their skills only to be ignored in favor of the "bottom line" because of this over-emphasis on grades. Something big needs to change, but please don't say the teachers won't get behind it. I know a lot of teachers frustrated with this system and the emotional damage it's doing to their students, and where we can get away with it, we are doing our best to provide something more nurturing that builds autonomy and independence. Help us do more. Don't treat us as obstacles.

Failure is a relative term

Submitted by Robert B. Elliott on November 29, 2015 - 4:41pm

Brenda,
If it weren’t for many heroic teachers, our systems of schooling would have collapsed of their own weight decades ago. Nothing I have said here or elsewhere should be misconstrued to be an attack on teachers, although far too many have been inducted into the “cult of school" and far too few are willing or able to make the personal sacrifices required to protect and defend the best interests of children.
Here is a quote from your comments: “We've called for years for exactly the measures that would improve schools, like smaller class sizes to allow for better personalization
of education, and more art, technical education, and music. But what can we
do when the system ignores our advocacy and instead continues to defund the
most vulnerable schools? What can we do when the for-profit forces want to
automate everything and reduce our schools back to cog-producers?"
This kind of proves my point, which I believe you have dismissed out of hand. Teachers have precious little autonomy and are virtually powerless except when they take big risks and subvert the “system". You also mentioned Dewey. Dewey and others who have advocated for change have been largely ignored. Ideas for meaningful innovation have been watered down and by-passed for all practical purposes. The practices and policies in schools today are different from a century ago in few respects or in name only. The changes you imagine are superficial and insignificant.
Power derives from the compulsory attendance laws and it doesn’t go to parents, teachers, children, or ordinary citizens. Any significant change threatens the status quo and the authoritarian power structure. Allowing autonomy to students or teachers immediately breaks down the ability of authorities and so-called “experts" to arbitrarily define what can and must happen in classrooms. The laws create a strait jacket for the people who want to interact with students as actual citizens and they deny full citizenship rights to children under the supposition that one only becomes a real citizen after undergoing twelve years of training, indoctrination, and “education". This, as Dewey pointed out is not conducive to democracy.
Privatization and all the ludicrous efforts to blame teachers, enforce accountability, test 24/7, rely on insane core curriculum requirements, and such are just the latest iterations and manifestations of schooling as social engineering and of force as a means to education. Coercion and education are incompatible concepts. It is paternalistic and unconstitutional to use state laws to implement a regime of supposed education. Saving children from bad environments or homes cannot be accomplished by such laws. There will NEVER be authentic change and you will NEVER be free to teach and establish healthy relationships with students as long as these laws force parents to compel their children to attend. Find Tolstoy’s Essays on Education. Your heart is in the right place. Diane Ravitch is defending a corrupt and highly defective paradigm.

The School Hamster Wheel

Submitted by Christine Olivera on November 26, 2015 - 6:55pm

I am in grad school and I would not have gotten in without exceptional grades. This absolutely came at the expense of learning the material. I feel much less grade pressure now and can dedicate my studies to actual learning. I am in a field where grad school is on-the-job training and I basically have secured a position when I graduate, but my classmates are still very grade sensitive. I was reminded that even with a diploma, employers could request a transcript. The pressure is intense. Is this what we want?
My child is in 4th grade and I have homeschooled her since the middle of 3rd grade. She has such a preoccupation with grades that I had to stop giving them. I am reteaching her to learn instead of perform. Her fear of failure has been overwhelming to the point of anxiety. It has taken almost a year to get her to write for fun, on her own. The standardization of the public school curriculum knocks the creativity right out of them. There is no room for it, because it is not what they test for. I can only surmise that for kids who are not academically gifted, real learning must be done on the side, with passionate pursuits outside of school. Good schools are providing extracurriculars such as art, music and robotics, but these are mostly offered after regular school hours so any kid that has to take the bus or go right home misses out. What are we doing and to what end?

Teachers subjected to unrealistic expectations

Submitted by Susan on May 10, 2017 - 12:41am

After working as a teacher for 38 years I have been determined to be unproductive, unapproachable, and unable to make improvements in my job. I have never received a less than stellar performance rating until now. Students expect to be given grades, their parents expect to be given grades, and administrationexpects us to kowtow to parents who are "somebody in the community". My whole premise is to provide a creative working environment where students are responsible for their work, their actions, and given the opportunity to think for themselves. If they fail at one task, they are expected to figure out how to do better on the next one, not demand or cry because they don't get what they want. Until We are determined to be the professionals in charge, who know what students need, there will be no accountability for anyone except for educators. And people wonder why so many of us are retiring, leaving for other fields where we can make a difference without the stress, or just quitting.

burnout

Submitted by CH on November 26, 2015 - 11:41pm

As a psychologist and manager with post grad quals in workplace psychology I'm aware that the pressures reported by students and the developmental/education environment described in the articles resemble factors that are known to increase risk of workplace burnout among employees (unrelenting pressure, negative reinforcement, lack of scope to tailor work/learning approach to personal style, always falling short of the target regardless of how hard one works etc etc). And we are inflicting this on youth. Possibly students don't have reduced resilience compared to previous generations. Rather, the sort of symptoms and behaviors described have a surface level similarity to the what you would expect of someone who has burnt out in their job. Sadly, workplaces that have a low level of psychological literacy re burnout risk and presentation also tend to blame the victims. If this environment doesn't result in substantially better jobs, coupled with ever higher student debt, the constant 'maxing' (of grade requirements, fees, extra-curricular effort etc) is at risk of backfiring. Students may as well disengage from higher education if it produces an effort/reward imbalance on such a scale. There's a lot more that could be said here, but from a work psychology perspective, on reading this article, I'm not surprised youth experience elevated levels of psychological ill health. It's what you'd expect from the environemnt they endure.

grad school

Submitted by Another Karen on November 27, 2015 - 12:51am

I didn't realize grad school was so highly desired. Most of the buzz I hear is about how we are producing too many PhDs and there are no jobs for them.

Here's a tiny thing faculty can do -- don't look at grad student applicants' grades. I look at their letters and I look at their statement of their interests. Then I admit, I do finally look at grades as a sanity check. Perhaps I shouldn't even do that. This has been a good process so far for getting students for my research group.

Perhaps other people with small amounts of authority in other positions can do similarly. Grades matter because we make them matter, so let's do what we each can do right now to minimize it, and then hopefully bigger steps will be possible in the future.

A System that Breeds Cheating

Submitted by Amber Pawlik ("The Observant Mom") on November 27, 2015 - 9:41am

It seems to me like students and parents perceive such high stakes involved to get into college or get a lucrative job, that they are willing to lie and cheat to make it happen. That is what is happening when a parent calls and demands a teacher change a grade. It's lying and cheating. I read an article a while ago that showed parents climbing the walls of a school in India to see to it that the students needed help on a test, because the consequences were so dire if they failed. Like you say, for such a widespread problem, is the problem the students/parent/teachers or is the problem the system itself? Is this what America is turning into?

It is getting harder to live. The price of living is really high (see housing, education, medical costs) but wages do not keep up. As a libertarian, I blame monetary policy and inflation. There was a comment that the students aren't willing to learn to live on $30,000-$50,000 per year and to work on earning a higher wage. There are places where a person would not be able to afford rent on this.

I like that you mention that research does show that "unschooling" is working and "hovering" does not. The term "unschooling" carries some baggage for some, but this may be too big of a topic for this reply. How about, just throwing it out there "Freedom to pursue their own interests" This works well at young ages, such as in a Montessori education. I have been reading about how it works well at older ages too, such as how letting children pleasure read when they are in middle school is correlated highly to strong reading comprehension.

Thanks for your thoughtful thoughts. :)

As a 29 year old I feel like

Submitted by Sev7 on November 27, 2015 - 3:17pm

As a 29 year old I feel like I was born in the wrong generation:

My life has always been different from everyone else's. I think emotionally and mentally this made me a stronger, and resilient person. I was forced to grow at a very young age, and take responsibilities most won't until they are graduated from college.

I think the lies that my generation was told at a very young age have started to blossom.

We were told life is fair. When it obviously isn't.

That we can do everything we want, when we can't.

That life will always get better, and the future brighter.

Also, we aren't told to how to handle situations for ourselves. We are told to rely on others to take care of everything. From bullies, name calling, and fighting - instead of handling our personal problems we are told to tell whatever authority figure is around. Whatever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me?

Also we are never told on how to find ourselves. It amazes me how many people my age never actually take the time to soul search! It's like they never actually thought of WHY they do things. They just do it, for "I just felt like it".

On the other hand? Responsibilities are always left to someone else. If you're getting picks on its the bullies fault. It you fail it's because of the teacher not teaching.

Parents cannot discipline their kids properly anymore. Teachers are not allowed to punish kids either.

Where does this leave this generation? It leaves it disillusioned from the realities of the world. Now you have a generation of spoiled, entitled children who never had to take any responsibility for anything in their lives. Everyone does the blame game and no one stops to think about the consequences of their inability to take a step back.

It's not one groups fault, either. It's a ton of pebbles being thrown into a pond causing a giant wave.

Parents didn't teach children their children how the world really is.

Kids just listened.

Teachers aren't teaching what we SHOULD be taught.

The government steps in to far with how we are suppose to raise our kids.

Colleges are too expensive and sometimes don't even teach the skills always needed.

The first thing we need to change is our outlook on life. It's a cold, harsh, cruel place that isn't fair. You are entitled to nothing and no one owes you a damn thing. If you want something then be prepared to get it. And most of all? Take the time to figure out why you are the way you are. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Old freedoms gone

Submitted by John McGrath on November 27, 2015 - 10:16pm

As a person in the 70's I am aware of changes that have vastly increased pressure on young people. Among them are:

- In a job early out of college I did not earn much. Yet I could rent an Upper East Side Manhtattan tenement apartment (5 small rooms) for less than 25% of my monthly take-home pay. The heat was included.

- One of the best ways to get a job was to go into a big office building, look at the directory, take the elevator and knock on executive doors and ask, "Could I have a minute of your time?" Using this nmetiod I got lost in a major publications building, wnet to teh wrong HR office, was given a "test" (editing) to finish in 15 minutes. Then I went away for 10 days (not telling my mother where) and my mother kept getting calls. They wanted to offer me the job. But I didn't want the job because it was for a publication (sports) that I did not want to work for If there was recruitment on campus I was not aware of it. Who needed it?

- Even at private colleges you could cover the tuition with summer work and state scholarships (based on a test).

- Tiring of New York City I hitched across the country, got jobs along the way, and got a job in the random West Coast City i landed in. I hitched back and forth across the country 6 times, and had no problem getting a job when I returned to the East Coast.

- As a child we played in the street before grade school and took subway trips all over the city. But we went with older kids. BTW, admissions to the museums was free, with no "suggested donation." The museums were great.

- I lived in a poor neighborhood because we were poor. Every kid I knew (of the dozens and dozens and dozens, many of whom I did not know) went to college. No big deal.

What i am describing is a world of far less pressure on the young than today. And it is certainly not very encouraging to see the absolute environmental irresponsibility and denial of science that have become so prevalent in US politics. Watching the US completely destabilize the Middle East and create millions of refugees in the name of "democracy" is not very encouraging either.

burdens places on parents

Submitted by Melinda S. on November 28, 2015 - 12:02am

When my oldest was 13, I sat in a "how to prepare your child for college" seminar. The lady stood there and told us, "if your child doesn't have a resume by the time they are 13, they are BEHIND!" She gave the spiel mentioned by a student above of "not just in the group, but a leader," and "not just travel to Costa Rica but leading a charitable outreach to Costa Rica."

I went home completely freaked out, but I soon recovered. I realized that this was not the life I wanted my teen to have! It was not what I felt would lead to a well-rounded young person. It was a recipe to be a workaholic, not to be a happy, productive adult. (It didn't occur to me that it could also be a recipe for a child who couldn't cope with life at all, but I see now how that could also be.)

So we followed her interests, let her forge ahead in school in areas she was interested in and gave her time for hobbies, reading, and rest. At 21, this child is doing very well, about to graduate from college, a hard worker and a happy and well-rounded person.

what kids are exposed to

Submitted by Melinda S. on November 28, 2015 - 12:21am

I suspect there is another issue in terms of the stress our kids carry, that hasn't been mentioned here. This is the amount of exposure our kids have to the tragedies in life.

When I was growing up, I didn't know a single person with cancer or any serious disease. I knew a few whose parents were divorced, but none who were in the middle of it and they didn't share the difficulties, either. I saw the news sometimes in the paper, but rarely stayed up to watch the 10 o'clock news--it was certainly not in my instant Facebook news feed. We heard about the famine in Ethiopia, but it wasn't in our faces all the time. I knew there were occasional freeway shootings or Black Friday brawls, but I never saw one nor were the people around me angry or cranky most of the time.

Today, my 12yo heard that there was an active shooter in Colorado Springs and they didn't know where he was for the next 4 hours! My kids know people who have autism. They pray for friends of friends who are dying of cancer. They see pictures of the Syrian refugee crisis. They know that their friend was crying all night because of her parent's ugly divorce. They are encouraged to volunteer at the food pantry and they see panhandlers at every freeway exit. They have friends whose parents have abused them. All these things are in their faces constantly.

They are also exposed to things on video or movies that we never thought of. R rated movies used to check your ID, and none of my friends' parents would have dreamed of showing us that sort of thing. Today's evening TV is more graphic, both with crime and sexuality, than the R ratings of my youth. One of my kids was shown Goodfellas as a required college assignment--she was in shock afterwards. I can't imagine my professors asking this of me!

All of these stressors are in their lives every day, and even if they "can handle them," for many, they build a background level of anxiety that the kids are always having to deal with. They start out carrying a very heavy back-pack, far beyond their age level and ability to deal with, and then we wonder that they are exhausted by the stress and wither under the load.

It seems to me that if we are going to talk about helping our young adults with stress, we need to address these issues, too. It's not just the school work or whether they go to work every day. It's the pile-up of anxiety and deep issues they have seen and don't know how to deal with.

Following the baby boomers

Submitted by Momofone on November 28, 2015 - 9:33am

I think that parents of current college students are more anxious than parents ten years ago, about their kids getting employment after college. This is partly due to the economic crash but also a by product of being in the cohort that has followed the baby boomers. The baby boomers have the great jobs, and are slower to retire, so availability of good jobs for those who are a bit younger than this generation has always been weaker. It always feels like catch up. I think those parents project that anxiety onto their children in fear they might not be able to achieve financial security or job satisfaction. With regard to high school pressures, I think teachers need to share in the accountability. Our sons high school teachers never provided a syllabus of assignments or test dates, and so very often it was impossible to get assignments due ahead of time if there were conflicts. Part of being responsible as a student is being able to plan out your work so you can get it done in time. Having online assignments that are announced 24 hours before they are due, and that shut out the student if they are late, creates more stress (keep in mind being late on an online assignment could be due to bad internet).

Get rid of No Child Left Behind

Submitted by Katherine on November 28, 2015 - 5:31pm

This is, IMO, a direct effect of No Child Left Behind. The worst possible educational philosophy which has caused all the problems you speak of in your article such as: only graded matter, schools get funding based on grades and failing students could cause schools to lose funding, teaching to the test and on and on. It is s complete travesty and is dessimating our educational system.

That along with fear. Children are basically not allowed to play outside anymore. Due to fear of child snatchers. So they don't get to learn with unstructured play. We need a lot of change in our society to fix these problems.

The importance of self motivation

Submitted by Former Homeschooler, PhD on November 29, 2015 - 5:00pm

I have a PhD in a STEM discipline from an Ivy league school and a prestigious postdoctoral fellowship. I was also homeschooled for 5 years in elementary and middle school, choosing to attend high school of my own volition. While I was homeschooled, we had weeks where my brother and I would do nothing but read for pleasure and engage in imaginative play. Even when was more focused on traditional school tasks, I would spend all morning playing piano and finally get to my school work for a few hours in the evening. Some nights I would do extra geometry worksheets for fun, but my mom never could convince me to write the essays she assigned.

The benefit to unschooling is that it creates independent adults who love learning for the sake of learning. My self motivation got me through 4 years of high school, 4 years of undergrad, and 8 years of graduate school culminating in a 250 page dissertation. My lowest course grades were a few A- marks. I have published multiple research papers.

The disadvantage to unschooling is a definite disdain for rigid policies, and a need for a flexible schedule. While I met deadlines most of the time, my course attendance was not fantastic and I often taught myself from the textbook because it was more efficient. This propensity causes me to struggle a bit when it comes to the practicalities of employment. Thankfully, I've found professors, supervisors, and mentors who give me the freedom I need to do my best work.

I believe that the work and school culture in the US both need to change drastically to accommodate students and employees as human beings rather than automatons. I'm also a mom to 2 children I had in grad school, and I'm so thankful for the flexibility my career has given me to be present for my family. The bottom line is that the most productive and creative people are happy, healthy, and fulfilled people. It's no wonder that students cannot be emotionally resilient when facing failure at school when their entire lives revolve around their success at school. It's much easier to be objective in the face of failure when you have something else to live for.

former homeschooler

Submitted by Janine on November 29, 2015 - 11:17pm

Dear Former Homeschooler, thanks for sharing your journey from your years homeschooled through higher education and beyond. It's so interesting and reassuring to know that there's not one road to success. I know that to be true, but still, I think it's not usually presented to young people. Most students are led to believe that the road is linear and mapped out for them, i.e. AP's and honors, college, grad school, success. It's a very limiting message. I hope you continue to share yours!

Students with disabilities and pressure

Submitted by Sonja Luchini on November 29, 2015 - 11:19pm

As the parent of an autistic young man about to get his Associate's Degree from our local community college, I have to say that ensuring success in school for these students takes a combined approach. While not being a "helicopter" parent, I've had to be more involved than a typical parent due to the supports needed so my son could benefit from a "free and appropriate public education" (or FAPE as we call it in special education land). Diagnosed when a toddler, we fed his interests as they emerged. He "perseverated" on dinosaurs? We would check out books about them and watch science channel specials relating to them. We've lived through focused interests such as the dinosaurs, NASCAR racing (at 5 years old he understood the concept of owner/driver), Ancient History (a Time-Life series of video tapes about Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, Egypt etc.fascinated him), geology (volcanoes!) and on and on. I would encourage drawing, painting, beading key chains and other art forms for fun while encouraging play dates to assist with social skills. With other parents, we formed our own all-autism boy scout troupe because our children were not "welcome" in our neighborhood troupes. Trying to bring a sense of belonging and community to kids who just wanted to do what everyone else did was very difficult but we tried to provide a "normal" life in between the Speech Therapy, Occupational Therapy, Play Therapy, Behavior Intervention, etc. Those were our "extra-curricular activities" and it was hard work.

The message my husband and I always had with our son is that learning is fun. School wasn't always as much fun - some early experiences with misguided personnel who would refuse to work with specialists on site helped drive him to depression in 1st and 3rd grades (shame on them). We were "asked to leave" (parents call it "counseling out") as happens with our special children. Finding a nonpublic school that understood his needs brought him (and his parents) back from despair and he did well enough (after 7 1/2 years at the little school) to come back to our neighborhood high school where they took credit for his good grades. He graduated with high honors.

He's always been a good student because he likes to learn. He enjoys doing a good job and being recognized for his work. My "hovering" involved constant behind-the-scenes advocacy in K-12 to ensure services were not only in place, but being implemented. My son has gone from needing a 1:1 aide on the large high school campus (he needed a scribe for note-taking as he couldn't write and listen at the same time due to processing delays) to complete independence on the community college campus (he's allowed to use a digital audio recorder for notes at college).

Much has been done on his own to achieve this, but it takes a village for an autistic student to succeed. His first semester at college I went with him to the Disability Services Office to walk him through the process and helped him write an advocacy letter to his professors that explained his disability and his strengths. He now self-advocates, writes his own introductory letters each semester and visits the Disability Services Office when he feels he needs to.

He still lives at home with us, but does his homework without prompting, uses his study-time appropriately so assignments are turned in on due dates. There were times that he would get (as he calls it) "too cocky", assuming he knew enough, did not study or waited until the last minute to write an essay. His lower grade would reflect his mistake and he would learn from this cockiness.

A support agency helped him learn how to ride the bus to school and around town for other errands when he graduated high school plus he's recently earned his driver's license. We give him an allowance because it is difficult for these kids to find employment (he has had summer jobs) and he does his own food shopping, cooks his own meals and is as independent as can be expected while living at home with his parents.

Next year we're hoping he gets accepted into a university that has a dorm program with adult supports for autistic students. We realize he might always need help and support from adults in some form and that's ok. He wants to major in Urban Planning. He's hopeful about his goals. We hope that he will be a happy, productive citizen in the future. Society doesn't expect much from our kids so they tend to surprise folks. I've always told people that he's far exceeded our highest expectations. He's a good boy.

Great, until the end.

Submitted by Andrea on November 29, 2015 - 11:32pm

Why did this great article end with a plug for unschooling? As a parent myself, I'm sick of the pressure to do everything right for your kids and unschooling is just another one to add to the pile. Why end it with unschooling? Why not end it with how we need educational reform for everyone? How everyone needs to de-emphasize grades and re-emphasize learning, how teachers need to be able to teach and grade how they see fit with the fear of their schools losing ratings or being fired, and how society needs to make sure everyone is taken care of regardless of the quality of their education or their aptitude, so that the consequences of failing are not so extreme. What a great article, until the plug for the book on unschooling... this could have been so great.

Great article reflecting honest convictions

Submitted by Stephanie Dunn on December 31, 2015 - 11:19am

Your questions may be rhetorical, but I'm responding anyway - from my perspective.
I have recently started writing a lot on this subject as my own experiences resulted in a huge shift of perspective several years ago. My motivation comes from a deep need to replace destructive suffering with constructive community, which is what Dr. Gray is accomplishing here. Whether I will be able to create anything of use is yet to be seen, but that's not the only point. The process itself is worth my time.
I have respect for Dr. Gray's comments about unschooling and for references to his book because I am convinced that he offers them from a place of deep belief resulting from honest experience.
It takes courage to publicly challenge mainstream beliefs, especially when so many people are so deeply invested in them; and it takes hard work to actually research, write, and get a book published. Peter Gray has spent an enormous amount of time and energy devoted to this work. It is only right that he use this space to express his convictions and make his work seen. He does it despite opening himself to attack, which I very much respect.
Besides, a lot of his messsge is about removing the pressure to do everything right. Unschooling isn't being offered as another thing to feel guilty about not doing. It's being offered as a valid alternative - though noone is pretending it doesn't involve challenges and risks. Dr. Gray was fortunate enough to find Sudbury when he needed an alternative, though its tenets were a huge challenge to him. I visited Sudbury three years ago, while trying to come up with a workable way forward for my family. Even though Sudbury wasn't a workable solution for us there was real value in that visit, along with my other explorations. They confirmed my realization that we really do have agency. We have to be willing to accept that risks and uncertainty are part of life and that our own success doesn't have to be measured against everyone else's. The idea that school success is required for life success is based on a self serving myth. It's up to us to stop sacrificing our lives to it.

You have described unschooling

Submitted by Robert B. Elliott on November 30, 2015 - 5:15am

Andrea,
Didn't you describe unschooling or de-schooling in what you recommended? I don't see any of the "alternative" approaches as adequate or responsible since, regardless of how wonderful they are for some lucky students, they do nothing for the vast majority who are relegated to institutions designed to limit learning and control behavior. The question is not where we must go as a society but how we will get there. Unschooling is great as far as it goes, but to achieve the purposes that you praise and specify for all, I see only one possibility, which is to de-link schooling and education (two very different things) from laws that deprive students of dignity, autonomy, and their birthrights and that usurp the rights and obligations of parents. Paternalism works against the goal of bringing all children into an environment that fosters knowledge acquisition and personal growth.

Robert, I agree that all

Submitted by marieange on November 30, 2015 - 11:08am

Robert, I agree that all young people need the freedom that unschoolers enjoy. But it seems that you are intent upon perpetuating a false dichotomy between an unschooling lifestyle and societal engagement. As an unschooling family, we are highly involved in our community, trying to help all kids. While it may seem to you that unschooling only benefits "a lucky few" the unschooling movement (and I do believe it is a growing movement) is providing an example of an alternative to the current system, and raising a contingent of young people who will be instrumental in the more widespread reform that you and I both desire. I hope you can see that there is a lot of common ground between your viewpoint and the unschooling movement.

The impenetrable bubble.

Submitted by Robert B. Elliott on November 30, 2015 - 4:44pm

Dear Marieange,
Where do I start? I have tried not to criticize the “unschooling movement" because I agree wholeheartedly with the goals and generally with the methods and practices. I don’t see unschoolers as any more antisocial or isolationist than I am myself (and some would find me quite hostile to society’s expectations and demands). My problems are that a movement needs to move to qualify as a movement and that adherents are typically blind to the brick wall that will prevent their concepts, ideas, and beliefs from becoming widespread or institutionalized.
The illusion that you are changing the world is just that. You are changing the world for those who find your approach appealing and that’s about as far as it will ever go. A mutual admiration society does not a movement make. It feels good to think that you have struck upon something new and revolutionary. However, the concepts of the alternative school tribe are fairly ancient.
The educational wheel has been re-invented hundreds of times without many real changes taking place on the ground. There are certain factors for this sad reality, most predominantly of which is the attendance law in each state that creates impossible barriers to innovation and that establishes a power structure that is firmly entrenched and ensconced. The needs of children get lost in translation, never to be rediscovered except by people who mistakenly believe they are the new pioneers. I’m sorry to burst the bubble for such good people such as yourself, and for most the bubble is impenetrable, but I am obliged to keep poking at it.

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